Livestreaming the General Assembly and other Meetings

[BenBurton]

This:

I support livestreaming ALL GA's. If a person does not want to be seen, cover your face. Simple as that.

/thread

[occupiechicago]

After being giulted non stop about how i should not stream i set things up at Cermak so that people were comfortable. I also agreed with this proposal when it was presented, because the "dangers" of livestream were beaten into my head (not literaly...we are non violent).

Remember when we used to call ourselves a transparent movement? This proposal ensures that we are no longer a transparent movement. This allows people to make decisions about Occupy Chicago and not be held accountable. This allows people to hide... I will not hide things like our government does. Livestreaming forces people to be accountable and weeds out infiltrators. Why would we allow people to make a decisions that affect our community without our community knowing who they are? I urge people to vote NO on this tomorrow so that we can preserve the transparency of Occupy Chicago. I will present a counter proposal in the next couple days

[mcsheffe]

I agree this is a movement of the people not the few that can attend the GAs.If they are afraid to speak out now where will they be at crunch time.Or when you will have to stand up to the system.Are these the same people that are pushing the Chicago Principals.If so they are not doing anything illegal.Besides do you really think we have not been infiltrated.Not only should we live-stream but it should be done with good quality equipment.Not to complain about past streams because I do appreciate the work and effort.From what I have seen that we have purchased audio and video equipment so lets put out quality video consistently so others can be drawn in to this movement.

[marymcmahon@clear.net]

I wrote to Alyssa who brought this proposal forward and she has not responded. I asked her to continue the dialogue because it is an important one. In this Forum, which is the public face of the movement, the lack of response presents OC in a bad way. Can we not follow through on issues? Are proposals not meant for public discussion and improvement? Has this one been abandoned or passed? We may never know because minutes are SELDOM available and archived streams are incomplete IF they are available.

I agree with Phil, hide your face, stand off camera, but there it's not right to mute the voice and deny us content.

[BenBurton]

This proposal passed.

Decisions about spending money can now be made in private and you no longer have a say in the matter.

Sorry.

[Kelvin]

I will personally "insure clear and highly visible signage in multiple locations" stating "DON'T KID YOURSELVES ABOUT LIVESTREAM - BIG BROTHER IS STILL WATCHING YOU"

[Ella Mae]

@Ben - how does this affect decisions about spending money? As I read this it's about specific people wanting to be mute and/or not visible. Regarding the money, there is a Finance/Treasury committee newly formed to address the transparency complaints. As far as I know it's just been a matter of time and getting people who want to deal with it.

That said, I don't disagree that individuals should have the choice to be on or off camera, but I do agree we are being watched anyway so don't see much purpose in it.

[BenBurton]

Monetary decisions are voted on at GA. GA can now be blacked out.

The "friendly" amendment voted on last night was not streamed and there are apparently no notes on it but evidently it allows an individual to command a complete live stream blackout on a proposal and discussion.

[Lucas V]

The friendly amendment does not allow an individual to command a black out. They can ask the facilitator to suggest a blackout. If that happens there will be a quick discussion of whether the black out is reasonable or not (unfortunately, but obviously, the initial discussion does have to be off livestream). The GA needs to first agree that the proposal discussion does indeed need to be off of livestream. If you don't trust the consensus of the GA to make reasonable decisions then there are more fundamental problems at play here.

As a proposed remedy for the concerns, how would people feel about cutting the live streams but have alternate recordings made that would be stored at Cermak until the proposed action occurs? (Note, the purpose of the amendment was to agree to a process for those rare times when the GA is going to propose doing something that requires the element of surprise to be effective.)

Finally, regarding minutes. Yes this is a problem. People take minutes and they don't get sent to secretariat, or nobody wants to take minutes, or secretariat messes up and misses the minutes that have been sent to us and don't post them. This is one of the reasons we keep asking for more help. I'll search through our emails now and see what minutes have been sent to us and not posted over the last few weeks. If someone wants to review which ones are still missing and send us a list, we can put out a call to action to get us the missing ones.

[marymcmahon@clear.net]

This isn't an issue of money for me. I trust that everyone knows how to best allocate what you have of course you need to work out your priorities and that's your call too..

This is made more of an issue because people insist that the minutes and archives exist, and they don't. Fibnally we are getting round to the truth and Phil may make this happen.

Why not just run an audio recorder like everyone else does. I don't care who said what — but I do care about what's was said. It doesn't have to be such a freaking big deal! Things that are secret need to have a subject stated. period.

Phil is getting close, and I said it before, let the archive be housed at Cermak if it's too much trouble to get it secured online like ever other organization does.

People who offer to help keep getting run off and then the cry goes out that you don't have enough help to do the mundane tasks. This is all getting so tired. I admire Ella's persistent good cheer, ability to repeat the same thing tirelessly and her unflagging support of you all. It's been 4 months, and major decisions and conflicts have ocurred with no record.

Thanks to Ben we found out that this was a dead issue. That's the problem!