I don't identify with Occupy Chicago anymore

[BenBurton]

Mike,

While some of your points are true, there's still a disconnect with reality.

"Regarding the budget, accounting, check writing, hierarchy, or whatever, my assumptions are based on SOUND BUSINESS PRACTICES that are widely accepted by the general public. They are generally accepted and sound because you will not function without them in mainstream society."

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with using sound business practices with money. Kieran may be a thief, but I see no evidence of it and you haven't produced any.

Your general accusations are very open to interpretation and not factual. Your anger is distorting your message, which in general I think is solid.

[occupyguy]

Mike,

While some of your points are true, there's still a disconnect with reality.

"Regarding the budget, accounting, check writing, hierarchy, or whatever, my assumptions are based on SOUND BUSINESS PRACTICES that are widely accepted by the general public. They are generally accepted and sound because you will not function without them in mainstream society."

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with using sound business practices with money. Kieran may be a thief, but I see no evidence of it and you haven't produced any.

Your general accusations are very open to interpretation and not factual. Your anger is distorting your message, which in general I think is solid.

I never said he or anybody was a thief. When did I accuse anybody of being a thief? I was talking about assuming that there was a general checking account because it is very very odd that they don't have one and most would assume that they would have an account or petty cash to draw from by now instead of establishing some sort of community sharing program. Having a checking account is a sound business practice, community sharing is not.

I don't hate anybody either. I don't agree with Kieran's idealogies and I'm kinda mad that he advanced the whole break into houses thing that spooked me, but it's not just him, I think that most of OC supports occupying foreclosures. He just happened to be the most vocal and ardent supporter at the time I left.

[Bunny]

Mike, I'm not encouraging you to participate. I'm saying if you're not going to, please stop talking trash and trying to scare people away with your "theories."

The Cermak location IS supposed to help Mom and Pop from the suburbs. We'll have a warm, indoor space where there is parking and space for children, making GAs and teach-ins more available to families.

Your "anarchist" commune description basically covered any encampment of the Occupy movement. If it sounds so unappealing to you, I don't understand how you could "love" the movement so much. You seem to hate the premise it is based on.

To be perfectly honest, with all your "law-breaking" jargon and links, you sound like a cop, or at the very least, an agitator. I don't see why someone would take so much time to try to discredit people when they have supposedly washed their hands of the movement. This whole "OC is not going EXACTLY how I want it to, so I'm going to do my best to tear it down instead doing something to fix it" is a short-sighted, selfish mentality.

Also, you keep saying "anarchist" like it's a bad thing.

[BenBurton]

I don't see why someone would take so much time to try to discredit people when they have supposedly washed their hands of the movement. This whole "OC is not going EXACTLY how I want it to, so I'm going to do my best to tear it down instead doing something to fix it" is a short-sighted, selfish mentality.

I basically agree with this but it's also fair to say he flips from angry and coming across as destructive to giving productive info.

[Rojo]

Bunny wrote:To be perfectly honest, with all your "law-breaking" jargon and links, you sound like a cop, or at the very least, an agitator.

Bunny, just because someone expresses concerns with the legalities does not make them a "cop". While I do not agree with everything Mike is saying, he has some valid points. People in a group that is about free speech should be able to raise concerns without being labeled a cop or agitator. People tried to label me a cop/provocateur and that's why I got so fed up and waked away. The only reason I keep coming around every now and then is in the hopes that people get their shit together. Sadly, it appears to be getting worse.

You could have a dozen "OccupyGuys" on here, day and night, and they would not do half the damage to the OC movement that people currently participating in OC are doing to it. At some point, people will have to stop pointing fingers at others about "why OC is falling apart" and start looking in the mirror.

[marymcmahon@clear.net]

When one thing doesn't work, try something else. This should inspire some and cause others to rethink...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/1 ... all-street
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-wilkey
First Posted: 1/18/12 06:42 PM ET Updated: 1/20/12 11:10 AM ET

For those who assumed the Occupy movement had fizzled out in San Francisco, think again.

This Friday, Occupy Wall Street West -- a continuation of Occupy San Francisco -- plans to march through San Francisco's Financial District. According to a the group, more than 55 organizations, including the San Francisco Labor Council, Code Pink, Iraq Veterans Against the War and the Rainforest Action Network, will support Friday's march and attendance is expected to reach into the thousands.

Last Fall, Occupy San Francisco and Occupy Oakland gained national attention when police clashed violently with protesters, raising questions about police brutality. Public support for the movement has wavered in recent months, but activists hope Friday's event will invigorate its spirit.

"Friday's march is expected to be the largest Occupy Wall Street march that San Francisco has seen yet," said Occupy Wall Street West group member Stardust. According to Stardust, the movement has not gone away but has been gathering momentum.

"If you have a centrally organized structure that is pounded, it takes a while to recover," he told The Huffington Post. "Police and politicians targeted the tent camps. But if they were trying to shut down Occupy Wall Street, they severely miscalculated. Now the movement has moved from out of the camps and into society."

Since the dismantling of its various tent camps, Occupy Wall Street West has focused on community outreach with food drives, neighborhood meetings, bank shutdowns and a committee to help those in need find affordable housing. "We've been working with community groups, neighborhoods and universities," he said. "The core group has remained but now we're reaching more and more of the 99 percent."

Friday's events are timed to begin with the opening of the stock market and will include a demonstration at the Ninth District of Appeals in San Francisco, a march on the banks, speakers, a flash mob and a street party at Justin Herman Plaza.

[Ella Mae]

I just want to point out that no one is living at the Cermak location and no one is allowed to sleep there. It is a meeting space and office space.

[marymcmahon@clear.net]

This is being mentioned so frequently, that now I'm becoming suspicious! Jeez how would we ever know? People work through the night in offices all over the city on any given day! It would be the green think to do, wouldn't it?

[Ella Mae]

I haven't seen it mentioned at all. What I've seen is that people commenting that people living there. I can't speak to the facts but I see no reason to be so suspicious with no evidence.

[marymcmahon@clear.net]

You brought up following a post I made on another subject. I don't know what you were referencing or why. Seemed out of place but maybe you were talking to someone else? Sorry, put it's a preoccupation of some I guess, not me.