F.O.X. Protest Events

[mattjohnson]

Billy said:

     From the comments it seems a lot of people are confused about what the 1% are and how they operate and how they got to where they are. I'm not sure if this is the same movie I saw several years ago or not but I saw a documentary from one of the Johnson and Johnson heirs.

 

I think you are thinking of the movie called Born Rich.

[SavageButtonGuy]

Billy, I am confused. Are you for or against this movement. You're sending mixed signals. 

If you are against all of this, why are you here? If you really think there is nothing that can be done, or that things are fine. Then what is the point of voicing you opinion with us?

[jdrtimm]

I agree with Billy's general sentiment. The rich, no matter how well intentioned they are, are either actively or passively supporting a system of inequity and oppression. Unless they are actively advocating for redistribution and the general welfare, through social programs like healthcare and education for all, then they are neglecting the suffering that is right in front of their eyes.

 

At this stage in the movement we do not have to have a specific demand for every conglomeration of rich people. But we can get together and demand that the rich acknowledge our suffering and take an active role in its alleviation. 

[Billy]

     There are currently 2 camps in this movement reformist and revolutionists. Reformist think that effective change can happen with in the system. (R)evolutionist believe the only way forward is a fundamental change.

 

     I have gone into this elsewhere so I'll keep things brief. I very much believe in this movement. I think reform is not only useless but a system put in place by the power elite to give you the impression that you have a means of control so that you do not assert the real control that you have.

 

     I firmly believe that reform is used to placate the populous and lull them back to sleep. I feel it is the main tool to keep us willingly not only submitting to slavery but participating in maintaining it.

 

     One example is campaign finance reform. We have that now. All we need to do is not elect the guy with the most money. Instead of realizing that we have that power we continually vote for the guy with the most money and then complain that it is corrupt finances at the root instead of our obsession with money.

 

     I think the modified consensus process that we are developing is the key to the future. I also am of the belief that real change will never and has never come from doing. I do not think there is anything that we can do individually or as a whole to change the system if we do not change the way with think.

 

     I strongly believe in the statement you need to be the change you wish to see in the world. I believe real change comes from being and not doing. I think we must change what it is that we are being not what we are doing. Doing follows from being not the other way around.

 

     An abusive husband can apologize for what he did to the wife he beats and promise her it will never happen again. However I think we all understand if that guy does not do some soul searching and look inward and change who he is that is to say who he is being then he will continually find himself in situations where he looses his temper and violently lashes out at the one he loves most. Likewise if we as a people do not change what we are being then what ever system we develop will wind up just as corrupt as the last one.

 

     I believe that our collective experience is a result of what we are being collectively. If we want a different world we must be different ourselves and the new world will flow from that in natural course. I believe us coming together collectively in a bond of peace, love and acceptance like we have is the way forward.

 

     I see the world changing as a result of the energy we are putting forth more and more every day. It is a beautiful thing that has brought me to tears in appreciation of that beauty on more than one occasion. I think we are on exactly the right path.

 

     If reformist want to try to reform I can not support that but I also will not strongly oppose it. I believe in our process and will voice my opinion and submit to the will of the consensus. I believe that reformist will soon see the truth in what I have said here when their attempts at reform repeatedly fail. This is a process that I willingly and enjoyably engage in with you.

[SavageButtonGuy]

Thank you for explaining, Billy. I agree with you for the most part, but I do not want to derail this thread to much. 

In my eyes, the point of protesting is to raise awareness. We do need to be the change we want to see, but we must spread our message as broadly as possible.

I also agree that these people with so much EXCESSIVE, LIQUID assets are only in that position because they are in support of oppressive tactics. No matter if it was handed down or not.

Each one of these members are already hording the required 100million to be a member of FOX. They are meeting to figure out how to take and horde even more from the rest of the population.

[jdrtimm]

Billy, I respect your enthusiasm and ambition. Since this movement is so young, I think that the question of its ultimate, specific aims is essential, and it's a question that we will be continually confronting. But as the movement develops, I think that you exemplify the attitude that we need to maintain by saying that although you have a specific vision of how we can bring about change, you are open to the ideas of others and will fully support what the group decides together. 

[spencerthayer]

The details regarding the event happening on Oct 17th can be found here, http://www.foxexchange.com/pub....._About.asp

 

"Central to the Family Office Exchange mission is the deep study of issues and concerns that members face in leading their families, managing their investments, and operating their offices."

 

There shouldn't be any question that this FOX Fall Forum just two blocks away from our occupation should be a target of our protest this Monday.

 

Don't let Family in the name fool you, most of the wealth in our country is consolidated in family treasuries. These wealthy families are ran more like a corporation in terms of finances than anything we in the bottom ladder of the financial world understand.

 

If we as a group cannot organize against this forum then it makes it pretty clear that our priorities are quite misguided. It doesn't matter if we may or may not know some of the people going to this event. And I am sure they are very pleasant people to be around in polite company. We cannot vilify the monetary institutions that are robbing us blind while at the same time attempt to protect the very families who reap those benefits.

 

This is about structural change and we cannot allow then use of the word "Family" to fool us into thinking this is an event for people like us.

 

Would you ever be invited to a meeting with speakers, http://www.foxexchange.com/pub.....eakers.asp, like President Richard N. Haass of the Council on Foreign Relations? No of course not! Well maybe if you were the waiter or janitor.

 

Cordially in your face-
but still cordially,

Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer!

[pmdozes]

Hey occupiers - lets save the pontificating on the acute evils of the system for our blaags shall we. This space is for planning and tossing around ideas about this action yeah? 

 

We should to focus on Inequality, we need to be reaching out to other groups to join in so these people understand just how many people they are messing with.

 

I have visions of street theater and a dividing up of a huge paper mache pie between 100 people, well 99 and 1.  

 

Messaging should be harsh with a way out for the Rich. Tax Tax Tax the Rich- and if you agree then you have a moral leg up on all your 1% friends. I'm not opposed to reminding them that this movement is peaceful, but if income equality persists movements that come after us might not be. 

[SavageButtonGuy]

pmdozes said:

Hey occupiers - lets save the pontificating on the acute evils of the system for our blaags shall we. This space is for planning and tossing around ideas about this action yeah? 

 

Actually it is not, this is a proposal to take action. This is why it's in the potential proposal section. It was voted to be tabled on the 12th. It should have been voted on at the most recent GA. The minutes are not up yet and video was not recorded live of the whole GA, so I have no idea if it was or not.

[weheartourhive]

It wasn't because I didn't get to GA in time to get on the agenda (work, traffic, etc)...

 

I guess I'm at a loss on whether to withdraw the proposal and let individuals decide for themselves or not.  

 

I didn't want to "protest" something in the name of Occupy Chicago without people agreeing to it.  I'm not a person that wants to work singularly; I want to work with everyone.

 

I threw in my ideas and talked with Outreach... it's clear that a "Direct Action Committee" needs to be created for event planning.  However, I'm not wanting to move forward on something and put the OC name to something that not everyone is okay with... or at least a majority.

 

Guess I'm just at a loss of what to do...  I need to sleep.  Night.